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Open (Government) Data and Business Needs

kalte2707's picture
Submitted by kalte2707 on Thu, 2012-06-07 23:32

Taking a look at the way data is provided as open (government) data by the public administrations in Europe today (regarding formats, SLAs, support, licenses, APIs, meta data et al) and comparing this with the existing business needs (requirements for open data business) for the re-use of open data by e.g. European enterprises - there is a huge gap that needs to be filled - this can be done by providing / creating an infrastructure managed by public administration itself or by a intermediary (e.g. consortium of cloud computing, publisher, data enricher, ...) - that offers such a data market for business needs....any ideas and comments e.g. how to solve this?

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Submitted by Gianluigi Cuccureddu on Fri, 2012-06-08 09:09

Hi Martin,

Is it an issue regarding format of data or the "rawness" of the data? i.e. not really much can be done with it?

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Submitted by kalte2707 on Fri, 2012-06-08 09:54

Hi Gianluigi,
sure it is also an issue of the format - but also of e.g. the Service Level Agreement et al - that public administration is not able to provide along industry needs...regards - martin

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Submitted by Olcoz on Sun, 2012-06-10 09:20

Hi Martin and Gianluigi,

In this sense I've also proposed in this forum to standardise the Metadata needed to release Open Data and, particularly, Open Apps.
Kind regards

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Submitted by kalte2707 on Sun, 2012-06-10 13:23

Hi Serafin,
many thanks for your comment on this - I am absolutely with you that one important step is the harmonisation of meta data for open data (in Europe) - we have started this in Austria (where I come from) several months ago - see: http://reference.e-government.gv.at/uploads/media/OGD-Metadaten_1-1_2012... (Version 1.1. of Austrian Metadata Recommendation of the Cooperation OGD Austria - sorry only in German language - but I think you can see the structure of this anyhow) - there are also intense discussions to harmonise meta data on the basis of this recmmendation in the DACH countries (plus Liechtenstein) - means the German speaking countries - at the moment - is there a harmonised meta data standard in Spain available? Looking forward to discussing with you - regards from Vienna - martin

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Submitted by Olcoz on Sun, 2012-06-10 14:46

Hi Martin,

Well we have a Metadata definition (and taxonomy) already in place in Basque Government, http://opendata.euskadi.net/w79-home/es

Based on it and taking also into account the standardisation efforts of IEEE and JoinUP about the needed Metadata to release Open Source through forges, and requirements coming from our project of Decree about "Openness and Reuse of Applications", we are working on an extended version of the already existing Metadata of Basque Government's Open Data in order the result can be used also for Open Apps to be released as Open Data.
On the other hand, we are also leading a working gruop in Spain, in cooperation with representatives of the other Autonomous Communities and the General Administration of the State of Spain, and we are finishing our internal review of the first version of the quoted extended Metadata for Open Apps to distribute it among them, but I can not distribute it yet to you although maybe we can share it in few weeks...
As I said in other posts I already placed in this forum few days ago (even the discussion I specifically started about this point), I think this should be a very interesting topic to be discussed in DAA, isn't it?
In fact, I think we are going in the same direction and maybe DAA could be a good meeting point to cooperate and progress in this standardisation effort, isn't it?
Kind regards

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Submitted by kalte2707 on Mon, 2012-06-11 09:39

Dear Serafin,
absolutely - I think standardisation across Europe in the field of Open Data is of highest interest & importance - so what could be the most important / relevant issues here?
- meta data
- licensing
- languages
- ???
Looking forward to meeting you in Brussels on 21st of June!!
Martin

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Submitted by alorza on Tue, 2012-06-19 13:22

In this moment, the most relevant issue are the very data yet. We need that all public bodies release some common datasets in order to companies can create useful services.

And then, yes, metadata and licensing are key issues.

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Submitted by Olcoz on Wed, 2012-06-20 08:03

Hi Martin,

- Meta data harmoniztion/standardization makes feasible interoperability and easy access, so, I think this shoud be a must.

- Licensing; in the case of Open Apps to be released as Open Data it's also a must

Do you think we could have a "Birds of a Feather" about this topic tomorrow in Brussels? May be after the closing note, what do you think about it?

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Submitted by Bart Hanssens on Wed, 2012-06-13 14:17

IMHO, SLA for supporting businesses could either be handled by a few private companies OR 1 semi-governmental Publication Office.
The public administrations should provide raw data to the public (probably without any guarantee) and have a contract with the Publication Office (only). Then the P.O. can focus on providing SLAs, standardized API's, conversion services etc to companies.
If no official PO can be established, administrations should perhaps not provide SLAs, but should definitely not stop private companies that are interested in providing a similar service. It's up to the companies to mitigate the risks.

Update frequency might be an issue: are people willing to wait for a data set with higher quality, or do they want the data faster even if that means that the quality might be lower / data might be incomplete ?

About metadata, don't forget the semantic interoperability: for instance, "sea level" in Belgium is not measured the same way as sea level in the Netherlands (Amsterdam Ordnance Datum is 2 meters higher than its Belgian counterpart)

Language is certainly a challenge, both in finding datasets (how does e.g. a Norwegian performs a full text search on Bulgarian datasets) and presenting the content of the sets itself.

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Submitted by kalte2707 on Sat, 2012-06-16 19:37

Dear Bart,
I really like the idea of a centralised Publication Office taking care about all mentioned issues - what about the idea to establish this as a Private Public Partnership (PPP) - also to ensure the envolvement of both stakeholders here: administration and business?

The semantic interoperability is an important issue for sure - good point! But thats also one reason why I am a big fan of Linked Open Data - but then the respective national POs need to establish an EU-wide partnership too (what is also in principle an important issue) to work on this cross boarder interoperability.....

Regarding language: a first interesting point here could be a discussion about an EU open data Thesaurus (controlled vocabulary on EU open data) - as a standard for categorisation / tagging et al for cross language searches over the metadata ...

Looking forward to your feedback!

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Submitted by jamoral on Wed, 2012-06-20 08:17

Provide data, forget about providing services if there is a will in the private sector to provide them. I am seeing too many cases in which open data is provided by Governments together with the service that could have been developed by private companies.

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Submitted by jamoral on Wed, 2012-06-20 08:19

BTW, the first user of open data is going to be other governments as interoperability in the EU is still in its infancy. Open data is a first step towards government interoperability as it provides a standardisation which did not exist before. Use of RDF is quite spread among administrations using open data.

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Submitted by kalte2707 on Wed, 2012-06-20 09:58

Semantic Interoperability
Dear Jose,
many thanks for your comment - I agree that such services should be created by private companies in the future on top of the open data that is published by the public administration / government - also for internal use for public administration itsself...

Regarding interoperability the open data movement for sure is a big driver as it forces a need for change in publishing mechanisms and processes of public administration!
But there are already great efforts going on in EC for pushing this topic of interoperability - as I have seen last Monday at the semic 2012 conference in Brussels - see: http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/event/semic-2012-semantic-interoperability-co...
Regards -Martin

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