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Submitted by conder on Fri, 2012-06-01 22:06

"IT is not only the fastest changing industry ever created, it is the first to permeate every corner of global commerce, trading and our non-working lives. Most experience this through new devices, interfaces, facilities and working practices. For example: two years ago there were no iPads, today there are over 40M, and they are changing the nature of the workplace. The key implications for industry are: creativity, capabilities and resources are migrating to the edge; personal computing has become personal empowerment; employment is increasingly transient; the distributed wins over the concentrated; need to know is being replaced by need to share. The next big change and challenge is The Cloud – and it is as if Henry Ford got into computing - it is the industrialisation of IT - and could be the most powerful tool for amplifying human ability".
http://www.slideshare.net/PeterCochrane

I just had to add this to the forum, FYI

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Submitted by michele on Sat, 2012-06-02 16:11

Interesting post. I had a look at the presentation and I like the comparison of Henry Ford with the Cloud.
My question is: Henry Ford was able to give to many people an easy and affordable freedom (=car) to move thanks to his innovation - the assembly line. If we want to keep the Henry Ford comparison, the Cloud is the Car and what is the innovation that replaces the assembly line?

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Submitted by conder on Sat, 2012-06-02 16:14

A fat pipe. Connecting everyone to the cloud. That is the assembly line, and without it we are doomed to live life in the analogue hobbit holes of middle earth. Only those countries who build the infrastructure will move into the brave new world.

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Submitted by Engberg on Sat, 2012-06-02 16:51

There is so much hype and unsubstansiated claims about ICT. But cloud is the worst.

This presentation is by far the worse, I have seen - according to this you can walk on water or fugureof the purpose of our exisistence - if only you use cloud.
Is there ANY substantial information other than claims?

Cloud depends both on clouds themselves, but more on how you design applications, devices and infrastructures - cloud is much more likley to eliminate freedom, security and create serious market imperfections than the opposite.

Europa cannot afford such shallow analysis and descisionsmaking - Digital Agenda must be more than over-hyping technologies and inoring market problems.

We need focus on what benefits society - not on some apparantly nice business model/technology or what benefits someone at the expense of others.

Cloud most likely have a significant function in future solutions - but with present approaches it will hardcode non-market structures.

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Submitted by Engberg on Sat, 2012-06-02 16:55

Some services providers love the idea of a return to the mainfram concept of a thing client connected to cloud - total central control and no security whatsoever.

Allow me to suggest that this kind of naivity might lure some naive souls, but it will hold its own downfall.

If we have first create or accepted infrastructure control of ciitizens and companies, the idea of a Single Market is dead and we are back in hardcore Command & Control economics not much different from oldschool DDR - the master is just someone else.

Key, data and process control MUST remain device-side and out of cloud for cloud to be sustainable.

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Submitted by conder on Sat, 2012-06-02 16:57

Every cloud has a silver lining. Like most things to do with ICT you have to take what works for you and use it. The cloud has its worries, but it has great potential for society, and can save businesses lots of money spent on applications and hardware, making them more efficient and profitable. Presentations always glamorise, that is taken as read. The object is to inspire debate and thought. Its what we are here for...
Its a moot point anyway, as there will be no cloud without the fat pipes to use it.

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Submitted by michele on Sun, 2012-06-03 11:37

+1 Conder for your last comment.
"The object is to inspire debate and thought. Its what we are here for..." I like it, although once we connect people to the cloud - being it a a return to the mainfram concept of a thing client connected to cloud, or not - we have not yet addressed the risks of the cloud for users as Engberg says.
@Engberg: why do you say that data and process control MUST remain device-side and out of cloud for cloud to be sustainable?
I mean, I understand where you come from but I dont see the link with the sustainability.

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Submitted by Engberg on Tue, 2012-06-05 18:50

Notice I am NOT saying no to cloud - I am saying "do so" to make cloud systainable and have been showing this in workshops.

I mean sustainable in almost every way - security, market principles, economic growth, democratic principles etc.

The risks of unsecured cloud is simply unacceptable.

The concentration of risk and power will
otherwise be strongly destabilizing.

I am not the only one saying so - it just gets wrapped in specific conserns such as US Patriot Act allowing US Government access to european data.

Personally as a stategist and economist, I am much more concerned about the severe anti-trust perspectives. To me it is like a nuclear power plant without any shut-down mechanisms.

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